1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,400 This in HPR episode 2008-171 entitled HPR Communities in June for July 2019, and in part of the series, HPR Communities in June, it is posted by HPR volunteers, and in about 63 minutes long, and Karima next visit flag. 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:23,280 The summary is HPR volunteers talk about show-released and comment posted in July 2019. 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:34,080 This episode of HPR is brought to you by AnanasToast.com. Get 15% discount on all shared hosting with the offer code HPR-15. 4 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:50,000 That's HPR-15. Better web hosting that's AnastonFair at AnanasToast.com. 5 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:25,280 Hello, everybody. My name is Ken Falan, and you're listening to another episode of HPR Public Radio. 6 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:36,720 This is the community news for July 2019. Join me tonight. Are you any difference going from season? 7 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,520 I'll let you go first because I'm just polite that way. Sorry. 8 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,080 And I don't know. I think we were here today in the early weeks of the week, but this is Dave Morris. 9 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:58,240 And also on the chat, we have KDG who was on here before. Hello. Hi. Hello. 10 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:06,240 So this is HPR. HPR's community podcast, where the shows are submitted by people like you. 11 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,360 And if you are thinking of gosh, what would be a great time to submit to some shows, 12 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:17,440 that would be wrong about now because we're kind of getting low on shows. And this is the 13 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,400 community news show where members of the community discuss the shows that have been on in the last 14 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:28,720 month. Stuff that's been on the mailing list and other bits and bobs that I've been happening 15 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:36,160 in the HPR Ecosphere. First thing we do traditionally is Dave introduces the new hosts. 16 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:43,280 Well, we do have a new host this month. It's wonderful. And he's called Might Be Mike. 17 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Very welcome to the network. Yeah. Welcome to the family. 18 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:57,600 Excellent. So the first show to discuss was last month's community news, where we obviously 19 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,680 didn't have any controversy whatsoever because nobody could be bothered to comment. 20 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:08,960 And I think some are the people who did wanted to comment were on holidays or something. So 21 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:16,400 we're going to step that up and try and get a lot more controversy in this show. 22 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,440 So let's let's do that by starting talking about the following show, which was 23 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,400 earbuds by operator. And I must say I was disappointed at the lack of 24 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:35,440 links in this to some of the stuff he was discussing because I couldn't quite catch it on the 25 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,480 podcast and had to go back and look some of the stuff up because it's very interesting how 26 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:48,080 they cost me your pods and custom sounds set up. A few links would have been cool operator. 27 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:55,440 Yeah. Absolutely. To be honest, normally sends in those essays on this stuff. 28 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:01,040 Yeah. So I think nobody commented on that either, but that could be down to 29 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:08,160 people being on vacation and having no mobile plans. Let's just assume that's what was 30 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:15,280 this month. Yeah, this really was make it. I was in France, so no data. 31 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,640 Does your normal data not work in France? It's right. Does the Switzerland data plan 32 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:27,120 EU roaming of work in France or does that not apply to the or not apply? No, that does not apply. 33 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,600 I have a like, one megabytes or something like that in my Swiss, 34 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:38,640 it's just a plan, but nope. No, no, no. No luck with the the Triggy. 35 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:45,360 I shall cry on the inside. The following number, the following number cool, 36 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,080 certainly, which is a random one number. It is. It's about Pascal. 37 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,480 It isn't just one. It's to the total and his continuing series on Pascal. 38 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Just when you think you're getting the hang of this language. Actually, this one was in the 39 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,040 one that this was fine. I got this one. The next one is the next one. Yeah. 40 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:12,080 Blue, my man. My head. Yeah. Yeah. My concentration. Go ahead. Go ahead. 41 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:18,800 I just concluded that random numbers in Haskell are weird. That was the notes I left myself. 42 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:25,040 So yeah, but it's as always is really well explained. I just didn't have the notes in front of me, 43 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,400 so I didn't. I was struggling listening to this, I have to say. I can't read it. No, no, no, no. 44 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:37,440 It's not. No, go ahead or work. I concluded longer ago that Haskell was really weird. 45 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:43,040 That's just from the numbers. But still, it's interesting and very well explained as usual. 46 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,760 Yeah. But I do. I've stopped fooling myself. Maybe I can get through a Dave Morris episode without 47 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:56,720 looking at the show notes at the time. But no, but this, I have no choice but to go to the show. 48 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:04,240 And read them many times. Exactly. Well, you know, this is putting me in a very uncomfortable 49 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:12,400 place, uh, computer-wise because it just makes me realize that there's a whole, whole range of computers 50 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:18,080 out there in the whole tech sector that I'm not getting. I'm not able to get my head around this yet. 51 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:25,200 And that's a good thing because it's opens your up to challenges and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You're right, 52 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:31,440 actually, um, when I started doing IT, then if you knew what you're doing in IT, then you were 53 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:38,480 sort of god-like almost because so few people understood it. And gradually, those sorts of 54 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:46,080 IT people used to wear white coats and all that sort of stuff. Long, long, long gone. It's changed a lot. 55 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:52,640 We, yeah. So the following day was a number five of the seventh annual Hacker Public Review 56 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,480 and you're show covering things like hacking a box over the wire, under the wire of 57 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Gnome boxes, talking about headsets, Katie Plasma, Kansas Linux Fest, Freenas, Gemini, 58 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:10,400 and it goes on and on very good links. Thank you, Honkimagoo. Unbelievable. The amount of work 59 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,960 that was necessary to put that to show together. Basically, on the show, not smoothly. 60 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:23,120 Yeah. Very impressive. Very impressive. Then the following day, we had Huka 61 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:30,960 with privacy and security series. And then he has another few coming in there as well. And this one 62 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:38,160 was on the N-I-S-T cybersecurity framework. And I always tend to get a little bit nervous when the 63 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:44,720 word cybersecurity gets mentioned. But in this case, it was just because it came from a government 64 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,960 but very good tips. I found all right, very practical as well. Yeah. Let's 65 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:57,200 think that when you think about it, it's just, you know, common sense. But it's always good to 66 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:09,280 to have those things in the same place, same document, very interesting to listen to. And very 67 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:18,960 practical to put in place. Yeah, I enjoyed this one. As you said, it's a very good little common sense 68 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:26,080 to it. Surprisingly, really, because it used to be a sort of dark object to a large extent. And 69 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:33,680 it's quite nice to hear some basic down-to-earth advice like this. It's very useful for Huka to do this. 70 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:40,880 And also, the fact that it's supported by, you know, an American US government funded national 71 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,280 institutional standards and technology, that adds a way to it. You know, the older things that we've 72 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:52,160 been saving for years, you can now go, well, you know, here's the document that says, uh, so now 73 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,040 now it's not just me that saying that it's the National Institute of Standard and Technology in the 74 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:02,320 US who are saying these things as well. So we really need to do it. It kind of shifts the burden. 75 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:08,480 So the following day we had, Mr. You're in a bubble. And 76 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:16,400 well, if he's going to have loads of English-wise, I think we can, I can pronounce it in, 77 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:22,000 I don't know, whatever. And we sound exactly what's to be here. Well, if you say it's French, 78 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:32,480 then fine. Don't become, I was going for South African, but okay. Okay. Wow, this, this guy just blows 79 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:41,920 my mind. Yeah. Yeah, brilliant show. I left a comment because nobody else is. Car's parked over the 80 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:48,720 put. Hi, Arun. What do you do when cars are parked over the fire harrant Ken? I've been wanted to 81 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,520 know this for ages. And I also wanted to know, because I live in the Netherlands, obviously, 82 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:59,120 and this is about the Netherlands. So his comment was, there are red boards on which tells you 83 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,960 with the numbers on it. So we've been wondering what the kids for years, what those numbers were, 84 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,720 but we thought they were related to the fire hydrants, but now we know exactly what it is. 85 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,520 But oftentimes people, you know, they're on the pavement and people park their cars on top. 86 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:20,000 So I would love to know what happens when somebody parks the car on top. And there's a fire. 87 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:28,880 Blow the car with the, oh, I know that. Oh, oh, God, yes. So no, no, that would be terrible. 88 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:35,760 I'll have this. What's up, you're going to use it there? Yes. So I do have three Kevin's? 89 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:43,840 Yes, I'll do it. Okay. Kevin and Brian says, I love the show. I guess you never know when someone 90 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,400 is going to do something unexpected, yet awesome. I love this show. Yeah. Yeah. 91 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:55,440 General, General always come up with good shows. Yeah. God, really sucks. He's making hard for 92 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,960 the rest of us like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I guess that's why I'm not making any more show for 93 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:06,400 HP. Yeah, exactly. You're never going to be very, very much. Never going to be as good as that. 94 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,480 So yeah, I think I'm going to have to go back to not some of my earbud things and 95 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:18,560 packing iron and boards again to lower the standard a little bit. Did you get the impression that 96 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:24,080 your room was saying, oh, well, it's not some of the stories and I could tell you about them later. 97 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:29,600 Did he commit to tomorrow? Did they? I felt that that was a series myself. Anyone else? 98 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,000 Should be. Should be. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you're on. You owe us a show. 99 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Yeah. Yeah. I'll start with two little totals. Come on. Thanks. Thank you for the series 100 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:54,400 and the wrap-up episode. It's been a pleasure to follow the series and learn about 101 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:00,880 arc. I don't use of myself, but it's always good to know that there are plenty of tools to 102 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:11,760 choose from when there's a specific need. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, Epster said, thank you. 103 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,320 Thank you for the series. You guys. It was great. I learned more than I wanted to. I tried hard to 104 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,680 not learn, but you made me. Not just about OK. It's not about programming, information, 105 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:31,200 theory that has to choose history, bash, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And Norris says, 106 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,720 hey, it's your epic. This series will stand out as one of the highlights of HPR. Thank you, 107 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:42,480 be easy and Dave Morris. Couldn't agree more. Bullaboos for both of you. Yes, 108 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:48,160 clap and press the whole to talk. It's not working, but let's try it. 109 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:56,320 Thank you. I'm embarrassed. This one. But I said, many thanks for the kind words. Thank you 110 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,840 to two tips to it and Norris to your comments. We had a lot of fun putting the series together. 111 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,640 I certainly found out more about arc than I knew before, and I think the same sentiment was 112 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,440 expressed by my collaborator. Be easy. There's nothing quite like telling others about the 113 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,880 thing to make you understand it better, smiley face. So, now, the only few things we need to do, 114 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:25,120 one is post the show notes together as a booky book. But one, yeah, planned. It's planned, 115 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:32,080 but nothing's been done. No plans. No plans. And the second one is for somebody to 116 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:38,560 use the audio tracks of these episodes and then do a screen typing thing and make a video of us 117 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:42,800 so that we can put on YouTube and Facebook and stuff. Just saying no pressure, guys. 118 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:50,960 I think when it was a lot of tear. Can you imagine not doing it? The audio is there. All you 119 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:57,200 need to do is follow along. Yeah. Just one. I can volunteer to teach the audio together, but 120 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:04,400 yeah. It's not the transmission arc. Of course, it's going to be a lot of work. 121 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,000 What are you? So, you're not already doing it? Nope. No. 122 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:17,200 No. Volunteers are needed for this sort of thing. To be a lifetime achievement. 123 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,560 I see all the podcasts do it. Maybe they use a different recording app. 124 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:30,080 We could, yeah, but we can put them on YouTube. That's fine. It's just a transcoding thing, 125 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:38,720 but taking something like the arc series or a sad series or indeed some of the other ones that 126 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:46,800 have been done in the past and then as the person is talking, type the commands out on the screen 127 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:54,240 and show you the output. So the vocal, the voice actor has done the work. The script has been written. 128 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:02,080 Now we just need an animator to come along and edit the stuff together. So if you are, for example, 129 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:10,720 a bit shy or a bit nervous about having your voice on HPR, then this would be a way to contribute 130 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:18,560 back to the community. There are so people who do this, but I don't know whether they do it after 131 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:24,080 the event. I'm certainly not volunteering myself at all. I guarantee you that's a lot. 132 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Some of you who was to take that on, that would be great, but it'll be a lot more work than you think. 133 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Um, the following day, we had feeding the beast by Fokey and this was 134 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:45,280 Bunkid and Swedish payments, about basically online payments. I think it's Bunkid. 135 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:51,600 Bunkid, of course, is what you find, thanks. Your thoughts? 136 00:15:51,600 --> 00:16:02,240 It sounded a little bit like what's happening in Switzerland to where we have more and more ways 137 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:14,000 to use alternate payment method. I'm talking about the payment, not the identity 138 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:23,440 but it was interesting to have a point of view on what's happening in another country. 139 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:32,080 And I think that's, yeah, that's the kind of thing that we're going to have to face in the future. 140 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:43,280 Um, uh, more and more, uh, how can I say that? Um, um, um, I was going to say, 141 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:48,160 unreal business, not really, but, uh, virtual ways of, you know, spending money. 142 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,320 It seemed, I mean, the, uh, here in the Netherlands, I don't think I've paid 143 00:16:54,320 --> 00:17:01,920 to carry cash for the last two, three years. Uh, the only time I would ever need to use cash now is, 144 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:08,480 uh, if somebody's leaving, but now there's even, you get a, like, a URL to, uh, there's a website 145 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:14,320 service that it's a, you know, here transfer this into my bank account and you go to their 146 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:19,760 and you automatically transfer for your bank account. So cash is becoming less and less of a thing. 147 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Yeah. Both, there are implications and I really enjoyed that this episode was there because 148 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:30,640 the company thinking again and both these implications. I am uncomfortable about the fact that it 149 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:38,160 needs a phone because phones are very, very vulnerable to all manner of fact. Why would you be using 150 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:46,000 that as the, the device to, to, I mean, um, I think is it dumb phones that are used in Africa, 151 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:52,000 because this is big, big thing in Africa, isn't it? Or many countries in Africa are using phones 152 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,920 for sort of micro payments and that type of thing, that's fantastic. But I don't see, I don't think 153 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,920 they're very smart phones. And I don't know why we would be carrying, you know, 1000 pounds worth 154 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:10,320 of phone just to pay 50 pay at the, the news agents or something, you know, that just doesn't seem 155 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:16,000 right to me. Or else it's like when I can carry a card and exactly, you know, well, you can take 156 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:23,440 you payment. Technically, all you need is a private key. That's it. Yeah. So you could, you could 157 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:30,480 be just a USB key or something, you know, yes, it's expensive within the phone. But I just bought 158 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:38,880 myself a burner phone as they call them a knock here, knock here 105. So, because because the bank 159 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:44,560 keep on nagging me about how they've made things more secure and when I pay the money, they 160 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:50,400 have to send me a SMS message and then I have to type that number in. So I was not going to give 161 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:57,040 them my mobile number because then I know I'm going to get spammed all the time on it. So, you know, 162 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,880 is that sort of stuff that bothers me? Maybe I'm a corp to deal with someone so, but just bothers 163 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:09,600 me this stuff. So you're banking your land like to stamp people. Like to do what, sorry? You're 164 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:18,320 banking your land like to stamp people. They spam you with SMS messages, Dave. Oh, no, yeah, yeah. 165 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:29,600 Well, I get lots of unsolicited phone calls anyway because my number, not so much from my mobile, 166 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:38,080 but my landline number has leaked. So I get sort of multiple daily calls from people in wherever 167 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,440 India quite a lot of the time telling me that, you know, I had an accident or my phone has got 168 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,560 viruses on it, my computer has got viruses on it. And all that sort of stuff, and how did that get 169 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:57,120 out? That got out through me being not being aware of the consequences of sharing a phone number. 170 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:09,040 And, you know, I don't think to a bank is too big of a phone number, not in my country, 171 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:16,400 not sure if it's however I don't know to your country. But they do well. I've seen it in 172 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:22,080 Ireland and other places where there will start such a special offer on this, and special offer 173 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:32,160 on that. So yeah. And the banks are just a small element of huge multinational companies, 174 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,680 and they will send you, they will pass your details on to others in that company, because I'm 175 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:44,240 constantly, when I deal with the bank having to tick or remove ticks and boxes that say, 176 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:50,880 no, I'd like to hear more interesting stuff from other members of the group, you know, 177 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:58,800 so I think that if you, if you put out your mailing list, it's like being on a mailing list. 178 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:05,200 Yeah, yeah. And they pass it around. Thankfully, the GDPR is helping us with that particular one. 179 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:13,200 Well, you're creeping mailing list. I'm misunderstanding your mailing list. I thought this was like 180 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:20,880 RS seeds. No, our mailing list is the old school mailing list under the RSS feeds for the shows. 181 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:30,800 But I didn't understand that, and I got of fault. I added myself a month then this day. 182 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:37,280 Oh, okay. So, anyway, back to the show, the next show was telling myself something in the morning 183 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:47,760 by Jesra, programming one or more, and it's even up on GitLab. And I like, I like Jesra, 184 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:55,840 show. Yeah. And I like the idea too. I mean, I myself forget, forgot to let 185 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,840 us, all things, I think, I tell myself, okay, I've got to do that. I've got to, you know, 186 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:10,400 get, get this paper ready. And then I always remember those things, just like maybe three minutes 187 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:20,960 after I could have done that. Like, I have something to take to the office. And I, you know, 188 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:32,160 start the car, leave the house, and then, oh, I forgot this paper, and then, well, I'm not 189 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:39,120 going to turn around this too much. So, I'll pick it up tomorrow and then the next day, the same thing 190 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:45,440 happens. Yep. To the total says, backpides for the way in hilarious and informative 191 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:54,640 episode at the same time. Thank you for recording it. Yep. David Beck said, David Beck said, 192 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,680 rusted pipes, I'm guessing, that some wasn't written for the backpides. 193 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Jesra says, pipes up. Thank you to, to, to, that bit of bad piping is a melody I learned 194 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:16,160 after N.Y. Bill asked me for some audio to represent time passing. It's a very few notes, 195 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,040 but I always mess it up, smiley face. It should be noted that no songs were ever written for 196 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:26,400 backpides. Songs are compositions that are to be sung by a voice, not played on an instrument, 197 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:35,680 smiley face. We'll have a few tunes, thank you. So, the following day, we had the New Year's 198 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:43,120 Year's Eve show Bart 6, makers, Apple Talk, Linux and the mobile, more 3D printing, etc. 199 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,480 No comments on that one either. And then we had a more mint mobile, 200 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:55,680 security rant by upper-riser. And you can also use call forwarding to four calls to you. 201 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,760 You could voice a number of mint does not sound to stake connected all the time. 202 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:09,360 This I think was kind of probably very US-centric, because I didn't quite miss the functionality 203 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:16,160 that was on offer here, although I do get the, after a while I realized it was like a SIM card 204 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:24,240 service or like a cheap telco service. Yeah, I didn't get the whole picture. 205 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:39,040 So, yeah, but I did show here. I went look in the, tell you what you do to join, but then tell 206 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:47,120 you what it is. Or not in any way that I could understand. Yeah, but yeah, I did figure it out. 207 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:54,000 It was a mobile voice operation that we're trying to use trying to switch cards 208 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,920 and stuff, so it became obvious at the end. But don't forget, folks, 209 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,360 read the internationalization section when you're doing the upload thing. 210 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:06,560 Don't assume that everybody knows what you're talking about, because there are different 211 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,080 countries out there, many different listeners from all across the planet. 212 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,560 Creating counterplay collectible tokens for a bit corn game. 213 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:23,120 Dave and I, this was the first show, but it might be like, and I must say, David, I struggled with 214 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:31,120 this one, we thought it was for sure, for sure, for Span. Oh, yes. Yeah, it was, well, 215 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,880 until the, the, the, the, if it was like three days later or something like that, 216 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:48,640 all right. Yeah, if it was an, and I had the further game or what was that? 217 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Yeah, strange, but interesting. Yeah, although, although the concept of a bit 218 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,960 coin and these sorts of blockchain things have been explained in many times, I still 219 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:11,600 do not entirely clear why I'm still asking the question why, and so I came away from this one 220 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:18,320 that why, why would you want to do this? I probably, it's more of an indication of my lack of knowledge 221 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,640 than everything else. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I asked myself the same question, why would you use 222 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:32,080 a blockchain for, for, for that, at first that didn't even understand, on the stand, what 223 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,800 it was about, but then as the show progressed, I understood it was a collectible card game, 224 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,800 basically, and then the use of the blockchain makes sense if you want to, 225 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:50,800 to track every transaction, so you know that hired this token, which is basically a card, 226 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:58,400 and there are some common cards and some records, and if I sell you a card, and you need to 227 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,600 have a proof that I had, I had it, and then now you have it, and it's still in the game, 228 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:11,520 it's still there, the blockchain allows to trace, to trace the, the, the, the, the change of 229 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,840 honor of the, this, this token, so yeah, indeed, and it can't stop make, make sense, but 230 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:25,840 yeah, it was not really clear in the beginning, but still, I, I, I, I, I just, I think I understood 231 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:32,800 it in the end. Yeah, I, we've asked him for more shows, and there are more shows coming in, 232 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:41,200 so that is, that is, also excellent. I personally would like to answer the question, 233 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:49,200 the blockchain, yes, I understand what it is, and what it does, but I, I'm kind of more of the opinion 234 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:58,320 that, again, it's a solution waiting for a problem, and yeah, yeah, but I can, I can, I can, I agree, 235 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:04,240 there was, in my mind, there was no need for the blockchain, and now there's the blockchain, and 236 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:12,720 everyone's trained to figure out how to use it, and, you know, yes, yeah, crypto, yeah, crypto money 237 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:19,920 is, is one use of it, yes, but as, as with many things, there was no need in the beginning, 238 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:27,280 so they created some need. But, you know, that's also fine. Yeah, I'm happy with it existing, 239 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,520 but whether it's going to solve the Brexit crisis, I'm not sure. 240 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,800 Somehow, I think, no, no, no, no, I have to know if anything will sound the Brexit crisis. 241 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:46,480 Anywho, vehicle designer for a space game, now this is one that I did particularly enjoy due to the fact 242 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:54,800 that even though I'm not following the Haskell thing, I did, I find it fascinating how he's building 243 00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:01,040 the game full-stop, like all the stuff that you just take for granted with these stats and stuff, 244 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:09,200 how, how they're coming together, and the pictures are pretty cool. Yes, totally, totally, 245 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:18,160 does the Haskell. Of course, who has? Yes, I think it's very cool, as well, and I'm sorry, I just just 246 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,360 looked at the picture, and it's sort of been truncated on my screen for some reason, 247 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:30,880 but it was originally like that. But anyway, yeah, the potential of it is very, very cool, 248 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:38,400 but whether I would ever play it, I think I would be able to see this, but yeah, 249 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:46,960 I've met his skill in building it. So the following day, we had HBR, I think it's the last one, 250 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:56,240 as well, and there were two comments, both of which, do you want to read? Okay, I'm going to read 251 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:03,440 the first one, by the, the, do the mean. I disagree with just about all the opinions expressed in this 252 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:12,000 episode. Wow. Check me out for the opposite and just about all the views expressed in this episode, 253 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,080 just in case someone puts together a debate. Good to hear the discussion, but I'm sure do disagree 254 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,920 with so much of what the was said. Here's to your right to say it. And a DODD dummy, 255 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,400 followed up with saying, first hour, that is. The last comment was referring to the 256 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,680 burst hour of the episode. Okay, I would like to comment on this if I'd me. 257 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:47,200 I was a HBR volunteer, I would like to say there are, we are very, very binary here on this 258 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,000 network. There are two types of people. There are people who have submitted the show, 259 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,000 and there are people who have not yet submitted the show. Now, I would like to say, from my point 260 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:06,320 of view, I could not agree with the DOD dummy more, the thinly veiled, whatever that was in the 261 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:16,880 first episode was very, very difficult to stomach. So, yes, thank you very much. And that has been said. 262 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:29,440 Yes, probably, I don't care, because I think it's ridiculous, the argument that was put 263 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,000 forward that the doctor would need to know that information. Well, you're not going to be a 264 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:41,040 super doctor if you can't tell if somebody has already gone through that level of surgery, yeah. 265 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:49,920 Yeah, I have personal opinions on this, and I may even record a show on this, and I'm trying to 266 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:58,960 line up your sister. Sorry, go on. What? You asked the show now. Yes. Well, I've been, 267 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:05,840 there are a few people who have gone through this in my life, and oddly enough, a few who are 268 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:14,560 gone through it themselves, and I'm thinking as a parent, how would you deal with that if, 269 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:22,160 okay, you've got this, you're writing a bash script, right? Dave, and you got variable, 270 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:30,800 and that variable is your brain, your sexuality, and your brain thinks it's X, and you forget to 271 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:37,840 assign that variable to subfunction, which is, you know, genitals, and they come out as Y. You know, 272 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:46,160 why should we fucking punish somebody for that? You know, just dudes, and your burden is the addition 273 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:52,000 or subtraction over a single letter when you're addressing these people. If that's uncomfortable 274 00:32:52,000 --> 00:33:00,320 for you, then use they, them, you or high, just, you know, skip over, sorry, but, okay, fine. 275 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,600 And I'm trying to put a show together. I'm trying to convince some people to come on and talk to us 276 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:14,080 about that whole process, but as you can imagine, it's, it's difficult for somebody. 277 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:25,360 Yeah, absolutely. Anyone else wants to, to annoy people with their opinion? 278 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,840 I'm afraid I have no opinion on this one. My notes say, where the hell was I when this show is 279 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,960 playing in my ears? I think I must have fallen asleep at that point, or something, because I'm going 280 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:43,360 to have to go back and listen to this to, to formulate an opinion. I was in the shed and I was 281 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:53,200 very, very frustrated, simply because I've seen how upsetting. All right, picture this scene, 282 00:33:53,200 --> 00:34:02,240 right? You have this lady I worked with, and there's a queue for the men's toilet, and the guy, 283 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,040 one of our colleagues comes over and goes, hey, there's no women around here, and they're nips into 284 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:15,120 the women's toilet, and she's standing right there in front of them, and, you know, just how 285 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:21,680 fucking rude that was, and that's just, you know, that's just rude. It's just rude. 286 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,600 I mean, who, there we go. I may have to go back and head and out all of this, because, you know, 287 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,920 we don't want Ken Falon's opinions to prevent people from feeling like they can submit a show. 288 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:42,800 So, these are my personal opinions, and as Domi poses, a debate would be absolutely excellent 289 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:50,480 thing to have. I don't think I could do that, because I tend to be a slow thinker, and therefore 290 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:58,640 wouldn't be quick enough to respond to this, but yeah, okay. Yeah, I meet too on the slow thinking. 291 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:06,480 I would need some time to think, to think carefully through this one. I have kids who have a 292 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,680 quite strong opinions on these subjects, so we have some family get together, so wherever we 293 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,800 we thrash out some of these points, so that would be helpful too to this old geezer. 294 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,400 Encryption and quantum computing. How will quantum computing affect the security of 295 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,880 encryption? Oh, yeah, this one was actually interesting. Oh, by the way, HPR is all about 296 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,560 these sorts of discussions. Don't be afraid to talk about political discussions. Don't be afraid 297 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:41,360 to give us your opinions on here, but do not expect everybody to agree with you. Okay, that's 298 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:47,200 that said. Ahuka, by the way, this was the show. Sorry. My comments was about the previous show. 299 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:57,360 This was about Ahuka's quantum privacy and security episode where he discusses quantum computing 300 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:04,080 and what likely effects it will have on breaking encryption algorithms and what work is currently 301 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:12,320 ongoing to make it possible to safely have security encryption in a quantum computing world. 302 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:22,880 Yes, I found that really quite an interesting viewpoint on it. I have not really followed up 303 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:30,960 where this is going and it was good for him to set off a journey and I could follow along. So yeah, 304 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,360 thank you. It was actually quite cool because the last I had left it myself was, oh, 305 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,000 you know, we're all going to be screwed from quantum computing comes along, but he already mentioned 306 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,560 that they're working on some algorithms and ways to approach it. That would make it difficult for 307 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:58,080 quantum computing to break. As you might expect, I suppose, but it does look a bit scary as you 308 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:04,720 see this thing coming over the horizon. So the next day, but before we go on, I just want to 309 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:12,880 end up with a comment about the HHBR episode things, the new year shows, special shout out 310 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,080 to Hunky and all the guys who are responsible for putting that together, but especially for him 311 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,440 for editing those shows, the show notes, and posting them, it was a massive amount of work 312 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,400 and they're cute, I'll stay in for doing that. Thank you very much. 313 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:35,840 Oh, I completely echo that. Yeah, I did offer to help out with the notes if the help was needed, 314 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,640 but he was called, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask. 315 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,880 I was run away quickly, but certainly, yeah, he didn't call for any help, so 316 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:55,120 could put a him really, they took it along himself. So the following day, we had HHBR 317 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,560 two H-6-1, safety risers by upper-edger and other, and it took me a while to figure out what 318 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:09,360 safety risers were, again, but yep, very cool. That's a subject of debate in my house 319 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:22,400 because the business of shaving has with many capitalist ventures has turned into complete 320 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:29,840 insanity that you now have to buy a razor that has 47 blades on it and can work upside down 321 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:35,440 and in a force 10 gale and all that sort of stuff. And you paid vast amounts, I knew it's in 322 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,560 the supermarket that all of these things are under lock and key, you know, you have to 323 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:46,560 even ask somebody, I really liked to buy a razor please, whereas it was about the same level of 324 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:53,760 expenses as a ballpoint pen when I was a kid. It's insane, but they're just going to be 325 00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:02,720 a move away from that to the more old fashion style of double-edged, so-called safety risers, 326 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:08,560 safety, the contact, and a bit disposable ones. Disposable, yeah, we just got a single blade 327 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:17,120 which you put into a razor, having unscrewed it and cropped it in and so forth. And it lasts 328 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:24,240 your fair time, it does the job perfectly, it's a lot, lot cheaper and, you know, it's just less 329 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,640 less junk, and they've got been landfill as a consequence, but it'll probably change, 330 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:37,920 it'll probably get very expensive and all that sort of, but my son's very much into 331 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,560 these sorts of razor, so we've had long discussions about this. So I'd pretty good enjoyed this 332 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:51,920 thing to this. Yeah, as the day I had the same sort of journey myself going, why am I spending so 333 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:59,040 much on this when I could just grow a beard and buy a beard trimmer, which I did. So fashion statements 334 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,480 aside, my beard is there purely for economic reasons. Yes, yes, I did that when I was younger, 335 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:12,160 yeah, yeah, art versus commerce in storytelling, lost in bronze, examine the stories as both 336 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:20,480 art and products, and this also was the last in the episode in the series, and I was very, 337 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:29,440 very sad. Yes, yeah, it's been something that's been a fixture, isn't it? I've thoroughly enjoyed it 338 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:38,880 because I love storytelling. And yeah, it was a brilliant series from my point of view. I strongly 339 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,720 suspect lost in bronze because on a road trip somewhere across America and just recorded them 340 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:48,800 more and after the other, and you know, talk, got it on first, you know, first status, and 341 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:58,480 and then just pipe them all into us. But I great, really appreciate it, and I'm being loved 342 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,280 his work. If you don't contribute on Patreon to him, you should definitely do that if you're into 343 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:11,920 his stuff and why you wouldn't you be? So, Biza had simplified application architecture for improved 344 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:19,760 security, a thought experiment in whether reducing runtime dependencies can improve security and how to 345 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:30,640 do it. This was interesting actually. Thoughts? Well, yes, Biza's sense to be to have come from a similar 346 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,640 background to mine. He's mentioned Vaxway MS, which is why I really thought that I thought before. 347 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,280 And he also wrote in Karl 66, and I did those as well, and talking about how you just 348 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,880 wrote the whole thing pretty much. Not absolutely. I mean, we were a number of libraries which you 349 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:56,880 had to link in and stuff in my time. But yeah, you could write things that was totally standalone 350 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:06,080 if you wish. But then shared libraries and DLLs and things came along. And I remember the innovation 351 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:16,560 of shared libraries, which were being shared simultaneously by any number of bits of software that 352 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:23,280 were running on a shared machine, you know, and a multi-user machine. And how we thought that was 353 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:29,840 wonderful because memory was very short in those days. And this was just a tremendous innovation 354 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,600 and so on. And that's the way things are. I mean, in his point was that the pressures that made 355 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:44,640 that happen no longer exist because memory can be vast. And this was no limit to it. So, 356 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:52,800 in doing this, can you, do you not leave all sorts of attack surfaces open? So, which seems 357 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:59,600 like an argument. I can't comment on whether that's the case, but you would expect that it might 358 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:06,800 well be. Yeah, but I get his point. But the benefits of shared library is also that there are 359 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:16,320 more people using of more eyes on the code. So, you get those benefits from having shared 360 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,680 library as well. Admittedly, you know, if you just want to do one thing and you pull in a whole 361 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:28,400 library for that, that your attack surface is greater. Interesting discussion though. 362 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,160 Yeah, yeah, no, it's interesting points. I'm sure there were times when you could select 363 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,600 compile time and whether you wanted to be a static binary that you produced or whether you wanted 364 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:45,280 to make it shared on that. And if it were static, then you potentially take it somewhere else, 365 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,080 whether those libraries didn't exist. And he was talking about that as well, wasn't he? Yeah, so 366 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:57,280 I don't think that's the case anymore. You can't easily generate static stuff. You go and put it 367 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:07,920 into a snap or something similar. You have flat text, net, and up the image. Yeah. 368 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:17,120 Okay, cool. The following day, we had one weird trick to add dash dash help option to your 369 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:24,240 ox grips by Latu who was determined not to let the ox series die. I'm sure he'll come on. 370 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:32,960 I was really surprised to see this. But what Latu has done now, twice, is to go and look a little 371 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:41,200 bit behind the sort of stuff that we were doing. And which was, you know, we tried to go into 372 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,400 a fair degree of depth, but it ended up being fairly superficial in some research. We didn't 373 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,480 borrow down into the complexity, because we didn't feel the audience would want it. But 374 00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:00,560 he's pointed out some, well, he's, Latu has pointed out some really interesting and useful 375 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:10,320 aspects that have complimented the series, I think. And this business of can you write a script 376 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:21,840 where you put hikin' hikin' help, which you then deal with, is a pain. Because to me, that shows the 377 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,920 deficiencies of orcas are as a standalone language. The fact that the orc interpreter thinks it's 378 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,960 for it rather than for the script. And, you know, there should be a way in which you can say, 379 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:39,200 look, orc, this is none of this is for you, it's all for the script, leave it alone. And you can't, 380 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:45,600 which is very frustrating. Fascinating, though. But it was actually kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, 381 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,840 there is a, there are tricks around, I remember digging into this sort of thing, years ago, 382 00:45:51,840 --> 00:46:00,000 there are tricks where you can have the same script, which in one context is interpreted by your 383 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,800 shell. And then you feed it, you feed the whole thing to the language you want, which may be orc, 384 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:14,080 whatever. And it's ignored by the orc, or whatever it is. And so it serves the two purposes, 385 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:21,200 and the first in the shell, the thing that it interprets is the thing that says, submit me to orc. 386 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:29,200 And past these arguments to it directly, without the interpreter messing about with them. 387 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:40,240 It's similar to, orc, a flat two second example. But all in one tiny package, but if you do that, 388 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:45,760 then you end up in the having painted itself into a corner, I think, because it's very 389 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:52,640 shell-specific. And it's really unmaintenable. And defeat the purpose of what you're trying to 390 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,200 do in the first place. Yes. Yes. 391 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:04,800 Boko, long-made flat two continues to feed the shells. Maybe you will start getting filled 392 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:12,000 and guilty and continue to send a sense of skills. Anywho, move it on. The YouTube channels, 393 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:20,080 I really like your rune button, the Steve Cober shell, Curious Mark, Virtual A, Odeva, 394 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:26,640 Apollo Gardens, Commissioner, Mochex, and Death Ware's Bunny slippers. Three shows that you could 395 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:34,480 listen to there, or watch on YouTube. And if you have people listening, have some channels 396 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,400 that they want to share, please do so. It is a great way of learning about stuff that you 397 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,560 might not have come across, because the way of the YouTube works is it's recommendations of 398 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,760 what you already, the sort of tunnel you're currently getting. Exactly. Get somebody else's 399 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,200 high view of these things can be really, really break out of these sorts of things. And also 400 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,840 tells you a lot about the person. Wait, does it does? Yeah, yeah, it's quite a bit revealing. 401 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:07,920 So, it might be Mike, might not be. Also did an introduction to Bitcoin for techies, which was 402 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:15,200 concise, short-sweet, and to the point if I miss this or myself. Yeah, I really like this. 403 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:21,200 He has a really good way of explaining stuff. And I really did follow along with this. 404 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:29,120 Mark that down to something to go and look at again, listen to again, if I need to get into the 405 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:38,400 depths of Bitcoin. Very few shows, very few comments this month. Yeah, actually. 406 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,080 Is there an issue with the common system, perhaps? We would have heard about this. 407 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,000 I think it's probably just a summer months and people will comment when they get back. 408 00:48:48,000 --> 00:49:01,280 Yeah. Then all most done, Mr. X automatic tuning with the Kenwood TS940S, which was basically 409 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:08,880 following up from his HDR 266H show, which you was doing a review. And then he had the opportunity 410 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:16,560 to add in some automatic tuning on, basically use the functions that he hadn't put in before, 411 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,440 because he was requested to in the comments of that show, which was actually quite nice to here. 412 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:29,680 Yeah, yeah. So he's good to have a bit of a demonstration of a thing you're talking about, 413 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:39,520 or a picture or whatever else. Especially when it's audio only, but in something. 414 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:47,920 For example, put in an example in there. So the last show of this month, 2H6H custom data 415 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,920 with persistence to a total experience have to see where lies custom data with persistence in. 416 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,920 Guess what, programming language? Yes, folks. It's Haskell. 417 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:05,760 What a surprise. There we go. So that was it. What shows this month, actually? 418 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:16,480 Yeah, three from this month. I'm kind of glad because, yeah, it's a bit, we're a bit 419 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,000 shorter shows. Actually, I'm starting to get a smidge and worried. We always have a summer 420 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:28,720 load button. So if you have a few shows there in the old pipeline, you might throw them all away. 421 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:36,000 No need to plug up the queue immediately, but stick to the recommendations there on the 422 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,680 upload page. So if there is a free slot in the next two weeks, please use those. 423 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,760 Other than that, you can fill out some slots in the future weeks and months. 424 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:54,640 It's always nice to have. So there were some other strange comments, strange comments. 425 00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,000 No, there were just strange comments. There were just other comments. Operator responded to a 426 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:07,600 comment on no GS part one. And you wanted to say, I still want to work on this, but 427 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,760 but this is what I have so far. And he put in a link to the scripts that you've 428 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:24,480 working on. And he wants to convert his bash scripts, which he points to pop it here. Do you do the 429 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:33,360 other one, please? Fair enough. The other one goes way, way back to episode 438, which was a 430 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:41,680 day of yates episode. And RIPA says, hello, I noticed you've recommended FOS geek. I'd like to 431 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,040 listen myself, but I've been unable to find a copy of the files. Did anyone have a copy or an old 432 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:54,000 hard disk I can have? Thank you. Anyone out there with FOS geek? I tried to look on 433 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,920 I had to look on the way back machine. I didn't spend a lot of time on that. And I got distracted 434 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:04,560 afterwards. So I haven't really followed completely through, but I couldn't find anything that 435 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:11,600 seemed to be useful on the way back machine. So I also checked text files.com, which is a 436 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:20,320 always a good or text file, so.org is a Jason Scott's one. And I couldn't find it over there either, 437 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,680 but so anyone listening, FOS geek, if you've got a copy of it, would be awesome to 438 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,560 not have that loss to perpetuity. And that fair day is the end of our comments for this month, 439 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:41,120 but that there is also the whole point of HBR and the longevity of the thing. Apparently now Dave 440 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:49,600 podcasting is popular again. Have you noticed? I have. Yeah, yeah, I see. I had the radio, 441 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:58,720 radio fall extra rattling on about this podcast and that podcast and stuff. And they tend to be 442 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:06,240 pointing towards podcasts, providers, which is often the BBC, but other people who don't offer 443 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:13,040 SS feeds and all these sort of stuff. So the big boys are coming into to get to start milking it, 444 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:20,480 I feel. Yeah, I had, there was a comment on the internal blog in work about people 445 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,880 people recommending good podcasts, so I recommended HBR and then up a down here. We've been doing this 446 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:34,640 for the last 14 years, so there's quite a selection there. 14 years? Not so hip and trendy as you think, 447 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:42,240 folks. Are you sure we do their mailing list discussions then, perhaps? I don't think it'll take 448 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:47,520 very long because there's, uh, you know, she uses them a lot. I think if I had only known. 449 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:55,040 So yeah, I think mine was the only contribution to the mailing list. Oh, yeah, I was 450 00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:01,280 an expect from walking his dog, he said. Yeah, that needs to go into, that needs to be recorded. 451 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:09,120 Yeah. Yes, of course. So LWN.ness community calendar for August. 452 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:18,320 Anything coming up? Let me see. FR OSCon, Flock, PyCon Africa, LDC Brazil, Flock, 453 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:25,680 COS, Cup 2019, what's that? Conference and open source coders uses the promoters in type 454 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:34,720 pay in type 1. LSS is Linux security summit in San Diego, U.S. Tracing some of San Diego in 455 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:41,840 U.S. Open source summit North America, San Diego. I get the feeling that perhaps they've all 456 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:50,800 organized these in together as one big conference. Fast 4G in book rest. No idea what that is. 457 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,960 Guadac, uh, you know, user and developer conference in Greece. Well, most of you over to 458 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:06,000 September 2019, see if there's anything coming up there. Your side pie is in Brazil. 459 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:17,040 Open source firmer conference is in California in the U.S. Pie, Colorado is pie conference in Colorado. 460 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:24,640 Academy 2019 zone on the first week of September. And Colonel some of maintainers 461 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:31,840 canoe tools, Cloud Foundry, so much D.P. E.D.K., disk, user space and fronts. 462 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:38,400 ASG all systems go in Berlin. Central Pense of any open source conference. 463 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:45,920 And that's about it from there. And dead line for call for papers, 464 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,800 Ohio Linux festers on the 70th of August. Picon South Africa, I presume. 465 00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:02,160 Yep, is on the end of the month as is OS Camp Foreman L.A.S. in your book in Germany. 466 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:10,240 Any other business? Well, the Ohio and excess conference call for papers or call for presentations. 467 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:17,360 Uh, you just mentioned and it's the deadline that's been moved forward to August 17. 468 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,040 So uh, there's an item about that. Which I won't read out because it's quite long. 469 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:30,480 The other next one was we had a problem with show to 855, which 470 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:40,160 kind of is entirely my fault. Trunk. Okay. So I put a bit of waffle here, which is fairly 471 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:50,160 short, but just to say that we upload all shows to archive.org and shows downloaded by the feeds, 472 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:57,040 the HPA, the HVRs, the feeds actually come from that copy. So they're also on the HVR site. 473 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:06,480 So what happened to us on Friday the 12th of July, this show was uploaded to archive.org and 474 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,240 site we truncated. So people when they got on the figure, truncated version. 475 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:22,960 So we spotted it and fixed it and it was then the RSS feed was tweaked so that 476 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:30,160 everybody would re-download it and this all happened there after for me the next day on the 477 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:38,160 Saturday. So so the problem was solved, but it's a rare event. So I just thought it was worth 478 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:44,960 noting that these things do happen and you know in the world of in the system that 479 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,240 Rumble volunteers then it's hard to respond fast, but I think we did it down well actually. 480 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:58,000 They are underground. The issue of everyone's interest was we take because we don't know 481 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,280 what format the other files would come in and we'll accept any format. We use FFNPAC convert it to 482 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:11,680 a roll pulse which modulates it to file, which is by definition quite large. So if you send in a 483 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,040 flag file, that's going to be more or less similar in size. Well it's actually going to be quite a lot of 484 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:23,280 larger. So that's why we always want the best copy that we can possibly get and then from there 485 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:31,440 we convert into flag, wave and all the other formats. Because in yourials tend to be quite large 486 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:37,360 and two or four hours long and I was actually posting a lot of shows at the time, but the 487 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:47,680 disk space ran out on my laptop and the script doesn't just know that the file is created so it 488 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:54,640 sees that the file has been created and then moves on. So that worked okay for the it was just on the 489 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:02,720 border. So it was okay for to create the one for the website but not okay for to do the one for 490 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:09,040 the internet archive. So the one for the website was created it's correctly and the one for internet 491 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,000 archive to never know of space. So you've got the intro, you've got the description, the intro, 492 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:22,480 on the outro, but is zero by central file. So to fix that I have I haven't modified the script 493 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:28,480 in any way yes because that's coming with something else but to fix that I'm now also checking 494 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:38,240 the files that were sent into archive. So prior to this I've only been checking the files on the 495 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:45,200 website but now I check the physical media as well for and I also check to make sure that the 496 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,360 durations are more or less within a few seconds of each other on all different platforms. 497 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,360 So hopefully this particular problem won't occur again. 498 00:59:53,360 --> 01:00:02,880 Cool. So finally everything was just me saying that I submitted some more tags and summaries to 499 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,640 the thing. I don't usually say that it was me what done it and so I've made to make believe that 500 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:14,160 there's this else that are doing these things in secret but I thought I'd just say it was me what 501 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:22,480 done it. So there you go. Let's do like that. It's the last I still have. If you're appearing on 502 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:31,520 this list of days report underscore missing underscore tags.php. Can you submit some things so 503 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:38,960 that we all won't be embarrassed? I seconded. Cracky that's an impressive page, Dave. 504 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:47,360 Yeah. Four hundred billion. I mean one four seven one four nine one and two two zero four. 505 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:58,640 Wow. Cool. You were saying? Now I was saying I was wrongly thinking that new shows didn't 506 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:09,760 have tags but it's it's mostly old shows. I think. Yeah. Tag to no mandatory talk, Dave. Yeah. 507 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,840 That's true. Yep. That certainly made my life a lot easier at my end of the day. 508 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:24,560 Oh yeah. But even I mean even if it's not mandatory it's it's not really 10 seconds. So there's 509 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:33,120 there doesn't no excuse for not tagging a show one out of all. Yeah. Also you know what you 510 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:39,120 you know better what you're sure about. Other things that are coming up. One thing that I did 511 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:46,720 do was I changed the meta subtle change to the intro speeches. So that's every 10 episodes. 512 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:51,120 You get an anniversary announcement. So if you do 10 episodes you get an anniversary announcement and 513 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:58,240 every every variation there off. So you'll start hearing that if you listen carefully. 514 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:08,800 I need to publish many motions. I want to end 10 and we're coming up close to 515 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:18,080 Oak Camp people. So we should stickers and merch and a lot sort of stuff and the UK, 516 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:27,680 HB or Booth case wherever that is. I know where it is and Tim Timmy is coming to Oak Camp 517 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,760 and he is holding it at the moment and he's he's said to me on Master and I suppose you want 518 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:39,360 a table kit and I said oh there's fun you should say that and so he's bringing it anyway. 519 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:46,960 So do you have a table there? Well I asked for a table and I was told yes we can 520 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,800 organize a table we don't not quite sure what we're doing about tables at the moment 521 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:56,880 but you're on the list but it might be a good idea if we ask again just to make sure it doesn't 522 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:04,080 fall off the agenda. If you want to ask and go correct it might be better if I'm 523 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,160 getting what we've got to ask. How are we going to be together in HBR episode? 524 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:15,840 Episodes episode's my friend. I'm still coming there to chill and nobody can force me to 525 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:23,040 record shows. I'm always Han is to go and chill. Actually my whole plan is to go there and 526 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:28,880 recruit people to record shows. That is essentially my clever and plan. I don't know if I 527 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:38,480 it's worked last year. I don't know if it's going to work after this show but okay cool um yeah stickers 528 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,920 I need to organize stickers in the like I guess yeah anyone got uh and T-shirts. 529 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:54,640 Yeah anyone got an idea for where we can get stickers like cheap lots of them. No. Okay 530 01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:01,600 not you guys but general HBR community feel free to throw us a line on the mailing list or 531 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:08,080 comment in this episode. So is that is are we done? Is it all I think yeah I think we've done 532 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:13,440 yep yeah I think that's everything. So the question is will Ken edit out the show or not? 533 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:19,920 Tuned but which time I have to edit this more. Is Ken a lazy bastard or not? 534 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:40,720 Hmm okay tuning tomorrow for another exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio. We should do it all together. 535 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:47,280 You've been listening to Hacker Public Radio at HackerPublicRadio.org. We are a community podcast 536 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:53,520 network that release the shows every weekday Monday through Friday. Today show like all our shows 537 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:59,200 was contributed by a HBR listener like yourself. If you ever thought of recording a podcast 538 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:05,520 and click on our contributing to find out how easy it really is. 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